we have the war in iraq, muddled ending, war in afghanistan, mudd muddled. guns are not going to solve this problem. the days of the marshall plan, the idea we're going to poor hundreds or millions of dollars. this is a g to g movement, a generation to generation movement, realizing there's change there. we'll have to engage on a different level. >> you think what is going on here, the arab world is much kag up with the rest of the world? it's joining the modern world? >> i think that there's a lot of evidence that this is the beginning of that process. i have, ever since 9/11 been in the middle of this conversation about can we get along? in every one of those conversations people say where are the muslim moderates? i don't hear them. here they are. this is a group of people standing up. it doesn't say the fundamentalists have gone away. clearly they have not. they're in color of iran and hezbollah and hamas and the wahhabis are still out there. what we're seeing for the first time is the rise of this other story. and it's going to give people a clear choic